Episode Transcript
[00:00:06] Speaker A: Welcome back to the Evolution of Dental Podcast, brought to you by Evolution Dental Science. I'm your host, Rob Norton. Today we're joined by one of the preeminent experts in the CAD field. Known to his family as Jonny Jakson, known to everyone else as Jonny exocad. Jonny, welcome. How are you today?
[00:00:24] Speaker B: Hi. Good morning. How are you, Rob? What's up?
[00:00:26] Speaker A: I'm doing great. I'm doing great. So tell us, how did you become Jonny exocad? Where did that come from?
[00:00:33] Speaker B: Well, it's a family business. So years, years ago, I was looking to get a job in high school. You know, it was your options of working at, like, a grocery store or a pizzeria or, you know, any fast food area or any, you know, just a first job, right? I worked at, like, a pizzeria for, like, a month, and I hated it. And I was like, hey, Uncle Andy, like, can I, can I please work at your lab? Like anything, I'll do anything. So he put me right in the model room, articulating things and scanning with the box scanner. And then eventually I was printing right away. So just trying to learn right away. And then I went to a local lab tech school,
[00:01:22] Speaker B: which is called Erie 1 BOCES, and it's basically a trade school, for two years. I did that for the traditional kind of understanding of it all, which is very cool. And here we are today, transport to… I think it's like almost coming up to nine. And like, this is going to be a decade, like ten years in the family business which is crazy.
[00:01:47] Speaker A: It's pretty wild how that kind of piles up on you, right?
[00:01:49] Speaker B: Yeah. Like I said, it was 2017 and now what is it, 2026. So one more year. Yeah, nine!
[00:01:56] Speaker A: Nine, that's amazing. Would you say that, being in the model room and shifting from pouring models to 3D printing was something that got you kind of sparked and like, this is something really cool I could do. Or was it something that you just as soon as you started in the model where you're like, man, I need to be a part of this?
[00:02:14] Speaker B: Well, it was just I knew I had, like, some sort of... I was more intrigued by attention to detail and detail oriented things and artistic things. And I was always pretty good in art class and whatever. So it kind of just kind of gravitated to like, oh, like this, this field has all my, like, strong suits, whether it's adding technology to it, artistic or even attention to little details. Right. So, I was I don't know, it just kind of seemed like it fit.
[00:02:51] Speaker A: What would you say is different from what you learned in the trade school versus what you were actually experiencing in the lab when you came back to work?
[00:02:58] Speaker B: Well, the trade school was like, hey, we're going to learn how to, like actually wax the denture. I mean, we do traditionally wax dentures as well, but, you know, just the reasoning of everything behind it all and the literature behind it all, adding to it and making sure, like, oh, these measurements have an actual reason, like that's why we place it there, you know. So it's very good knowledge to go through and understand initially like this is the basis to build everything off of. You can't really break the limits until you know the rules of the basics. So that's kind of how it was for me. Like, hey, I'm a sponge. I'm going to learn as much as I can and try and figure it out and, kind of get the base understanding of it, wrap my head around everything.
[00:03:50] Speaker A: So you started with some really good core analog fundamentals.
[00:03:53] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:03:54] Speaker A: So, you got-
[00:03:55] Speaker B: Waxing dentures, like making, PFMs. We were also building porcelain, how did the stone work, right. Like, what's the purpose of it all? Packing, investing, polishing, everything. The ovens. It's so much that you like, you just that are hands on, you have to work with materials, right? It's all about the materials at the end of the day, Now more zirconia and Emax, right? It's crazy.
[00:04:27] Speaker A: Absolutely. And all the tech that's kind of replaced the idea of waxing altogether. Yeah. You know, I mean, exocad basically is your waxing instrument now.
[00:04:36] Speaker B: Yeah. And like Medit has design software and everyone has so much access like there’s the SprintRay that has the AI cloud thing. It's crazy.
[00:04:46] Speaker A: It is crazy. So when you came back, so if I understand correctly, you went to the trade school and then came back to work with, Andy and Evolve? That had to be interesting, balancing both worlds like that.
[00:04:57] Speaker B: Yeah, it was weird. They were, I mean, I was thankful enough. I mean, they were able to work with my hours. I mean, I was still really young at the time. So I was still learning in school and everything.
[00:05:08] Speaker A: When did you start really diving into exocad, would you say then?
[00:05:13] Speaker B: right when I graduated and then a year in college. And then Covid happened after that year, I mean, doing college during Covid isn't fun. You know, you’re just sitting on Zoom and attempting to learn the same quality, which isn't the same. So you're just, probably feel at a loss. So working in dentistry was able to still happen because the scanner's a bit, you know, in some areas it was a little open. You could scan them, right, and mask up, HEPA filters everywhere and like you were able to scan. So that's when digital really took off. I think with the percentage right before Covid was super low scanning percent. And then I think it took off after Covid because people realized, hey, we got to be able to do this and ship things and, you know, no contact type of work and learning how to communicate during that.
[00:06:15] Speaker A: Yeah, absolutely. The fact that dental stone has been widely known to, well, it's not the most hygienic material. We'll say that. And then replacing that with digital scans, it just kind of surpassed that whole thing, like being able to stay open and especially, being able to handle those emergency cases or, you know, cases that were labeled as emergency and bring them in during Covid. So would you say that's when you really started to dive into exocad and explore what the software could do?
[00:06:46] Speaker B: Yeah. Early on in, like 2019, we were on a basic version of exocad and, you know, I saw our denture department waxing dentures and we had these printers with we're starting to get, like, better, resin technology. So I saw that, you know, there's a, there's a place for printing in this industry, and if it is that interim stage? Let it be that, you know, and let's mill the final or whatever it be. But I don't see why not the lab can print that interim, too. And then send it to the doc to proof that file. So I started, like, printing out in like, NEXTDENT resins, dentures, and we had the Cara printers with those expensive basements. I didn't even want to attempt to print the dentures on that because it wasn't even efficient enough for, like, how it needed to work. Right? So it was the envisioned techs that we're doing, early on resin type like that. And NEXTDENTs. You know the old NEXTDENT?
[00:07:55] Speaker A: Yeah, the old NEXTDENT! First in the game but definitely not premiere in the field at this point. What would you say is probably one of the more premier things you're excited about with the... I mean you handle a lot of digital dentures. And I know that you are one of the preeminent, if not the field expert on Ivotion dentures. What do you think about those?
[00:08:17] Speaker B: Oh, I love them. And they're great final dentures. If the printing the denture doesn't last for that patient, then you would go with the final milled denture. With the milled dentures you're saying like, hey, I'm going to give this to you. I'm not going to see you for like five years, four years, okay? I don't want to see you for five years, four years. But if you have a patient where, you know, this might be a, more temporary or you're trying to meet some costs or even some dentures, they don't need to cost that much too, you know, like they don't need to be a milled denture. But I think every situation fits to its own.
[00:08:55] Speaker A: What are some of the, bigger advancements you've seen lately that you're excited about?
[00:09:00] Speaker B: Oh! The ioConnect. ioConnect and the T-Marker from TruAbutment. Right. They came out with that iPad photogrammetry. Right. you're able to scan with the iPad. It's just crazy. Just get the implant positions from your iPad and email it over to your, computer that you're designing on right?
[00:09:22] Speaker A: Yeah. Talk about removing a barrier of entry.
[00:09:25] Speaker B: Yeah. I mean, who cares now, it's $3,000, so you can you can do this thing. You know, you could do it and do it accurately. But photogrammetry and gammetry, they're both really accurate. The golden standard. I mean, it used to be photogrammetry, right, with Icam and PIC. Back in the day when scanners weren't as good. Now we're getting, like, the new scans. They're so accurate! And as long as you're making sure it's not cross-arch warped, you're able to make the grammetry happen. And we saw that early on making the EZ-Ref. Right. But it's worked its way back around, I believe. But I do say the photogrammetry is foolproof, right. You know, you can go into the practice, you can give any practice this, it's almost foolproof. You can give any practice this and they won't, you know, cross arch warp your implant position at least. So at least it will sit on the implants, you know?
[00:10:30] Speaker A: Yeah. Yeah. So even if the jaw scan’s not totally where it needs to be, the true required references, the implant positions. That's an angulation that you can rely on.
[00:10:41] Speaker B: Yeah. You can rely on. And you know at least it'll sit on the implants. And that's the important part I believe, you know, but it's a scalable process, right. It's not scalable to have, one really good assistant and one really bad scanning assistant. And then, you know, it increases your odds or. Yeah, once you have a pool of more assistant scanning and your odds change even more.
[00:11:11] Speaker A: Yeah. Having a consistent input. Absolutely.
[00:11:13] Speaker B: Yeah. If you're looking at your scans though, and you're watching it while it's going you'll see if it looks right or not compared to the mouth, you know.
[00:11:22] Speaker A: Absolutely. Yeah. That's I think that's one of the biggest innovations with scanning period is just the real time data presentation. Whereas you know in the past with impressions, there's just you hope it's good. You know, there's definitely a spectrum of quality with, the different impressions that are taken, different assistants taking those impressions versus the scan where it's like, oh, well, you can truly see. I'm of the opinion that there's no excuse for a bad scan because you can see the scans, you know?
[00:11:51] Speaker B: You can see it, man. Yeah.
[00:11:52] Speaker A: Sorry to call people out, but there's no excuse for a bad scan. You can see it right there on the screen in high def and real time.
[00:11:58] Speaker B: I remember I was using the old Medit, what was the first Medit, edit 500?
[00:12:01] Speaker A: Five, 500.
[00:12:03] Speaker B: Yeah, I was using the 500 at a practice in high school, like I was using it trying to scan patients when I was younger. And this thing would like, take forever. I mean, nowadays it's so much better, so much better. And I would just restart. I'd be like, hey, sorry, man. Like, I, like, I'm sweating like, it's taking too long. Like, I know if I took an impression by now, it would be good, you know? But, you know, he had some metal on his-
[00:12:35] Speaker A: Oh, yeah. They-
[00:12:37] Speaker B: A crown in the metal mode was really bad, too.
[00:12:39] Speaker A: Yeah, yeah.
[00:12:41] Speaker B: So it did not handle that, like gold or it wasn't gold crowns, it was a metal crown or something. He had a PFM metal was showing all across occlusal or something. And dude, it was like warping so bad right there. And it was taking too long and I felt terrible, but now it's way different.
[00:13:03] Speaker A: Now it's way different. And, you know, once you have a scan then the scan is there. It's not like an impression where it's like you have one shot and you pour it and then that's that, you know. Yeah. Especially with, crown and bridge, you know, where one person trims the die and that's THE die.
[00:13:20] Speaker B: That's THE die, oh yeah, it's the master.
[00:13:25] Speaker A: Yeah. Where you can 3D print 100 dies and they're all going to be exactly the same.
[00:13:29] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:13:30] Speaker A: Within a margin of error of maybe 20 microns, you know.
[00:13:33] Speaker B: Yeah, literally it's predictable. Where you want it to be.
[00:13:40] Speaker A: Very predictable. Is there, a printing technology that you're excited about that you've seen come out lately? Something changing, other than crown and bridge, or denture?
[00:13:47] Speaker B: So you know, SprintRay has the Midas, and, you know, we're waiting on resin technology that's gonna be coming out soon, for the tooth shaded materials. It's going to be really sweet. Also the NEXTDENT Dentures, the monolith NEXTDENT dentures. Those things are killer, man. They’re sick! The monolithic printing. I'm looking forward to Chicago seeing what you know what they're up to. I want to see what they're up to. I know SprintRay’s up to their chairside workflow. And it's very great. Same time on the big-lab’s scale printing. What is it up to? That's the cool stuff, always. I remember people stacked crazy stuff on their demos and it's fun on that.
[00:14:32] Speaker A: Oh yeah. Chicago's always a fun show to see all the latest and greatest that's in this industry. Absolutely. That's coming up in just barely a month now.
[00:14:39] Speaker B: Yeah, but unfortunately, it's downsizing. I think we're in a little down year here.
[00:14:45] Speaker A: Downsizing?! Well I don't think it's going anywhere anytime soon. I mean it's been the staple for 100 years on what the biggest and greatest tech is in this industry, at least for the continent of the United States.
[00:14:57] Speaker B: Right. At least for the United States. You know, if we go to, Europe, you have IDS. That one is still amazing.
[00:15:05] Speaker A: I have yet to have the pleasure to go to IDS. But, man, I hear IDS dwarfs Chicago. But it's also only every other year, too.
[00:15:12] Speaker B: Yeah, every other, too. It is. It's insane. It's like, that main showroom is just, whoa, like one little floor of the building? It's crazy.
[00:15:23] Speaker A: That's wild. I've been hearing a lot about jet-printed dentures. Do you know anything about that?
[00:15:28] Speaker B: Yeah, there's the jet-ink printed dentures, that's with the Stratasys. And they're really great technology with how it spins the plate around, and then it shoots the material out while it spins.
[00:15:44] Speaker A: They're in full color, right?
[00:15:45] Speaker B: Yeah, it does full color and everything all at the same time. So while it spins and shoots out ink simultaneously, it cures at the same time. So it's able to do any color at any time and mix shades. Add some red and blue, you get some purple.
[00:16:02] Speaker A: That's pretty awesome. How do you think that those compared to, say, some of the other printed dentures you've seen?
[00:16:10] Speaker B: They're very nice. I do think that two-piece dentures They’re nice dentures. You know, I think the workflow is great.: It's just: not as long term.
[00:16:21] Speaker A: Not as long term? Okay.
[00:16:23] Speaker A: The monolithic tone of the material, does leave something to be desired, I feel like. But there are definitely other techniques and workarounds to bring it up to the esthetics of a more traditional analog denture. I think that from what I hear, the jet printing has a lot of the esthetic properties you can sort of bake into it, but as you said, it sounds like, the materials are kind of on their way up.
[00:16:45] Speaker B: It looks like, they're coming out with new technology, though, that's going to make it so much better. So I'm excited for that.
[00:16:53] Speaker A: I guess we’ll wait and see what they show up with in Chicago, right?
[00:16:56] Speaker B: Yeah. Let's see what they show us in Chicago!
[00:16:59] Speaker A: Speaking of new stuff, we're on exocad 3.3 now, how’s that changed your life?
[00:17:04] Speaker B: Dude it's been great. The bar's making our workflow a lot smoother. You know, there's the partial denture bars, but also the dental CAD bars people are doing. It's cleaned up our workflow a ton with the bars because going into separate software is adding like additional work for the team.
[00:17:26] Speaker A: Yeah. For those who don't do as many bars or who aren't really familiar with exocad's bar, what would you say? What do you feel like changed the most like from the process before to now?
[00:17:38] Speaker B: Before we were having people use the extra software. Try and learn this extra software. I was trying to help them out with it a lot. And, you know, there's a lot more problems with that versus software that everyone uses all the time, every day, exocad for everything. You know, you're using it and it feels... It feels right. Right. You’re just in the design and you don't have to, you don’t have to save out the STL and like once you save out the STL, you already feel like you've gotten rid of all the good parts, right? Like, all the geometries of the implants, the position of where the implant is, switching the library, you know, so many like, that's all the good parts right there. The tooth file, the gingiva base file. You know, I got to adjust maybe tissue pressure. Like, this is all the good parts consisting in one area, and then instead, you're just saving out an STL and just splitting it, which is fine. That's approved STL. So that's where I love that. But now you can do it in exocad. There's two bar workflows, and I think the partial denture bars are really clean, but you can achieve that in the dental CAD bars. You just need to be very, you need to be very smooth about it. So I post, some YouTube videos on some tutorials on that 3.3 workflows. So people have been really loving those. I'm trying to find out what video to do next. I think maybe it's partial, partial denture bar module tutorial.
[00:19:29] Speaker A: It sounds like a cool plan to me. Like there's not a lot of content out there on that. In fact, I would say one of the reasons that we know you as Jonny exocad is because you are one of the preeminent creators of the exocad content on YouTube. I see your videos as being very digestible, very easy to watch. Not so long and involved. And you stay up to date with all the latest techniques and the improvements with the software. Now, what's something else you've seen? I know you do a lot of work with, surgical All-on-X conversions and stuff like that. Besides just the bars, have there been any other features that have really affected how you proceed with those workflows?
[00:20:09] Speaker B: I think editing data, the 3D Data Editor’s cleaner with, like, closing the holes and stuff with open ended, meshes. It's nice, that that's clean because surgery data sometimes can be all over the place. What else? The Export Tooth Model’s function is super clean. You could still do that in 3.2 though, you know, the Tooth Placement, anterior symmetry. When I'm doing the same day, wax up to prep cases. My wax ups and my prep cases, the anterior symmetry is awesome now, like, because in the Advanced tool, there's the anterior symmetries and, mirroring one to ones. And you can just kind of pull the tooth where that margin needs to be, but it's also maintaining symmetry on the other side, Yeah. Eight and nine have to be twins, and the laterals have to be cousins. If they're not, then it looks wrong. So that's that. And I see it every time if it doesn't look like that. So the buttons there, at least functions allow you to do that. But it's not the only thing. Right. You got to work around everything. It's not that easy.
[00:21:24] Speaker A: Yeah. It's nice to be able to do it outside of Smile Creator, because Smile Creator is an awesome tool. But yeah, you know.
[00:21:30] Speaker B: If you're using Smile Creator a little sneak peek. I feel like they always do little sneak peeks in Smile Creator. And then they give it out.
[00:21:39] Speaker A: Yeah. The new renditions from Smile Creator too. Have you seen any improvements with that?
[00:21:47] Speaker B: Yeah. The AI, photo alignment and the AI, photo. I mean, that's something we're already doing. It's working great. There's photos the AI rendering in the photos. It's basically DSD but we have a wax up overlaid inside. So it's actual real, right? That's what I love about that. Me and Dr. Omid did a YouTube video and he explained about how he loves that. So he's been doing cases like that, and he sold a lot of cases for his being a new grad, right. He sold like three cases just for being a new grad, giving them that, photo. And he made good money this year, so. And a good year, 2025. And that's what I love. It's not just like some fake overlay. Yeah I've seen that before. And it's just some fake overlay. Like man. Like this needs to be achievable too.
[00:22:58] Speaker A: Yeah. I mean, for those who don't know, what would you say the difference is between, say just a Photoshop overlay and what exocad generates with the TruSmile video and the Smile Creator images.
[00:23:10] Speaker B: So Photoshop. Yeah, a Photoshop overlay would just basically be, edited teeth, two dimensional. And you're just making it perfect from that two dimension. The AI exocad rendering over the photo is an actual wax up overlaid into the photo and then rendered to be realistic looking. So it's an actual possible wax up versus some fake, you know, hey, this is how this is perfect here. I'm going to put perfect here. So like yeah, but we need to do this this and this to get to the perfect, or somewhat perfect if it's even possible for them. You know, don't give them too much expectation when they're, not, you know, if it's not possible.
[00:24:03] Speaker A: So you'd say treatment planning as well as showing them what's possible. Yeah. It's all kind of baked in together.
[00:24:10] Speaker B: It is baked in for sure. Talking to them about their treatment plan and what's possible is definitely baked in for that.
[00:24:20] Speaker A: And you can just take those files and go straight to printing essentially. Right. Have a temporary right there based on what's actually possible.
[00:24:26] Speaker B: Yeah you have a temporary or people do the “smile trials” where they will.
[00:24:31] Speaker A: Yeah. What's your what's your experience been with that with the “smile trials”?
[00:24:34] Speaker B: Not bad at all! Like the patient has to be the right patient. Great, you know, small teeth, big lips. And then we'll... basically, make something that's realistic first, like a realistic wax up, save that, and then we'll make a, bulk version, and I'll call that smile trial, and we'll do the virtual wax bottom right to the teeth. Free Form, remove from the facial, and since these materials are going to be so thin when it's printed, it's going to be a little flexible. Tooth material is sturdy enough, and you're just pasting it on the facial just to kind of show them. “Smile trial”, I've had really good cases with.
[00:25:19] Speaker A: Do you have any good stories, or success stories to share with us?
[00:25:22] Speaker B: Yeah! Like, okay, once, a couple, I mean, Dr. Vetter took some really nice photos of how it emerged off the tissue, and it looked really nice. And it was just a “smile trial” didn't take me very long. And, you know, I, I did a nice wax up initially, so the bulk version was just basically moving it buccally. If it's on the right person, it looks right. But I had a doctor, and he had me make him a smile trial file. And he printed it out and he told me, hey, I'm going to be shipping this to him. So he shipped it to the patient in a different state. And then, the patient got in the mail and then put it on and then sent him a photo, and it looked really good. And he's like, all right, like, I love it. Let's go forward like, I'm going to go forward in treatment. And then he went and saw the doc. So it was pretty cool. That's a cool story with that smile trial.
[00:26:18] Speaker A: That's awesome. That's pretty cool. You want to talk about remote work? That's pretty crazy.
[00:26:21] Speaker B: Yeah, remote work man. I'm definitely the king of it. I think, hehe. All these same day designs, all these, design services printers are everywhere, right? And these people, need files and good files if that right? Or someone to work with? Talk to about it. You know, we like to all collaborate. We have a nice team, to talk you through your same day case and, you know, we're
there. So.
[00:26:52] Speaker A: Yeah. What's that like working with, working with the practices creating a team effort like that? And how is having printers in the practices change that dynamic?
[00:27:03] Speaker B: Printers make the team a lot more excited. Right? They can use it, they can mess with it. Some people really love them. But it depends on how much of the cases require the printed prosthetics, right. Like, you know, a regular crown and bridge office. Maybe you're doing it for some temporaries, some interior temporaries. Yesterday on the evolve website, I had like, six through 11 and it was just interior bridge patient fell on their face on accident and he had to build up some preps. And, we did the same day bridge right then and there. And we were able to build up something that was better than what he was wearing before. So it was canned, so canned and it was messed up. But I was able to align it and do some magic and made it nice and straight. So cool.
[00:27:55] Speaker A: Yeah, that's really awesome man. That's really cool.
[00:27:59] Speaker B: But other than that, like, are you doing dentures? Sure, we can do print. We can design your dentures, you know, digital bite rims. That's new to exocad, love that. We can design those for intermediate phases. Unless, you know, you already have something in the mouth. You just want to 360-scan that old denture, that’s good. And then all-on-X, right. There's, an influx of all-on-X, for work. And people are printing all of them for us, and scanning them. And you can even do photogrammetry with the iPad. So I mean, the exposure of this stuff is just getting more and more crazy, crazy world we live in.
[00:28:42] Speaker A: Absolutely. What do you think would qualify a practice to get the most use out of investing in a printer? Like who? Who do you think should or shouldn't be looking at having a printer in their practice? For example, I've seen a lot of the practices that do get a lot of for full mouth rehab, you know, all-on-X stuff and benefit greatly from that. What do you think?
[00:29:05] Speaker B: Depends on the person. Right. How hands-on are you? Do you want to work with your hands, or are you more lab tech focused? Like, I know some doctors who've been lab techs, so they love it, you know? So it's just it's really who you are too. And then, hey, do you have the team to point to do this then, if you don't love it? So it's up to you. I mean, the team can really make it work. You know, teamwork makes the dream work always. So it's about having that. And then once you have it saying, hey, I have it, we're going to have to do it or like we're going to just do it. We're going to cut the, physical lab bill down. And, you know, why am I not printing my wax up model? Why am I just sending it to them? That's a waste of, air traffic, right? Hey, I'm going to get a wax model printed from the lab sent to me when I can print the wax up model myself out of model material right here. But at the same time Taylor Swift uses so much. So much air traffic.
[00:30:13] Speaker A: Her air traffic on a map looks like a coloring book. It's wild. I saw something like that online the other day. Your point about having the team, be a part of it if they're not, if they either don't have the time or the resources to appropriate doing it themselves. Like having some of the assistants assist with the printing, I think is a really good point. That's what's your experience been working with the extended team like that? The assistants have been helping them through printing and learning. Some of this tech coming up, like, one of our previous episodes we did with, Chelsea Homire and, about their, DDAA, The Digital Dental Assistant Academy program, for example, was, pretty enlightening as far as what some of the new assistants are trying to take on. Now, what's, what's been your experience working with that and training some of these folks?
[00:31:03] Speaker B: Some of them, most of them are really amazing, you know, but some of them don't really care too. So it's like, okay, you want a good one, right? You want to put someone in that position, a good one right now, someone in an office that you know, they're your golden star. And they also can work with technology and work with a computer, you know, and that's going. That demographic of person is going to increase so crazy because the people that grew up on technology are coming in and they're coming in quick. So that's, it'll be very easy to get that into your system. You know, the workforce of the younger age is coming.
[00:31:48] Speaker A: The workforce at the younger age is coming, I like that.
[00:31:51] Speaker B: Yeah I'm just the early one.
[00:31:58] Speaker A: That's excellent. It seems like there's a lot of that changing around the dental industry with the technology growing in every corner of it. We were just speaking with, lab management software, a developer, the other day, and that's, I mean, just every corner of it. Not just the scanning and then 3D printing, but also, you know, just the back end stuff. What, what else is coming down the pipeline that you're really excited about, something that you hope to see in Chicago, something you hope to see maybe later this year?
[00:32:38] Speaker B: Maybe something with milling. Right. Some new milling machines would be cool. I'd also love to see some new resins come out, that’d be awesome. I always love the resins and the new ones, and, I like, very esthetic looking resins and, you know, I, I like comparing them in the strength and it's fun, you know, but, other than that, I mean, Ivoclar came out with their new porcelain. It's called Ceram Art. That's going to be really nice for single bake and, double bake, full arches. I think it'll be super quick, and super esthetic. Just like the MiYO line. So MiYO is also, I think, the number one in the game. But this is and then the NXTZEN, but the MiYO is the liquid ceramic. So this is also a liquid type of ceramic as well. So that's the cool part. It's already out a little bit in Europe, but just being released here.
[00:33:46] Speaker A: It's just great.
[00:33:47] Speaker B: You know MiYO’s like the top dog with the liquid ceramic, right. So the until then, there's never really been like, another high end liquid ceramic tube.
[00:33:58] Speaker A: Yeah, they've been out here pretty without many competitors for that kind of product. I'm very familiar with using MiYO. I did not know that Ivoclar came out with a competing option at this point. So that's pretty exciting.
[00:34:12] Speaker B: Yeah, it's, they're just throwing it into the States. It's called Ceram Art.
[00:34:19] Speaker A: Interesting, I’ll have to check that out.
[00:34:20] Speaker B: It's not out yet, though.
[00:34:21] Speaker A: It's not out yet though. Okay. Okay. So that's on the horizon.
[00:34:24] Speaker B: In Europe it is. People are testing it in Europe. So but it's like it's and they made a blog post about it this week.
[00:34:32] Speaker A: That made a blog post about it. So it sounds like, we've kind of come around full circle with some of the tech stuff where at the end of the day, we're excited about the technology, but it's the materials that really bring it down to where the rubber meets the road. As the saying goes.
[00:34:46] Speaker B: Yeah, it's you know, we have all this technology now, but going back to the material, circling back, you know, we're doing the prints on like 12 minutes on those... Dentafab.
[00:35:02] Speaker A: Dentafab?
[00:35:03] Speaker B: Does it in like 12 minutes full arch. So, I mean, like, who cares if no one has the material?
[00:35:12] Speaker A: 12 minutes for a full arch, we're getting closer to Star Trek every day.
[00:35:15] Speaker B: Yeah. And then the Midas does the eight minute crowns. So now I want a really nice crown resin. Right. So, that's where we're at, again, we're back to the material. I think material has grown a ton. You know, there's denture base material, you can realign with traditional realign materials. There's, you know, all the different shades under the sun. You know, now that, how it looks and performs, I don't know, we'll see what this year has for us, right?
[00:35:51] Speaker A: Yeah. We'll see what this year has in store. Jonny, I noticed you're, closing in on 3000 followers on Instagram now, which especially in this industry, is a huge audience. What's, what's been something that you learn from your audience as you've grown into this medium?
[00:36:05] Speaker B: Yeah. So it's such a niche little, little group there. Right. So guide users and digital dentistry and digital nerds. Right. What I've learned is, you know, the way people get and absorb this technology and this these resources, it's on all platforms. It's every day. It's whether you're scroll. People are scrolling all the time now on Instagram, scrolling all the time, Facebook, scrolling on YouTube.: So or, or digesting this thing. And they really like this stuff. Their algorithms are going to hit with that. And, you know, they're learning now through social media, right? Like quick little tips on Instagram is crazy, how that's taking off and things like that. So it's about, keeping people kind of in the loop about what's new, what you can do, and, you know, don't get keep anything because nowadays there's nothing the gatekeepers, it's an open world. It's for online. Now everyone's looking for. So, yeah, it's it's just a crazy world, you know, it's it's becoming more dystopian every day.
[00:37:23] Speaker A: More connected and, more and more and more information democratized across more platforms. So it keeps, like you said, it keeps people up to date because it's pretty often that you'll have doctors and especially technicians, which again, as as a technician, I can relate to it. You stay focused on the tiny thing that's in front of you. Whatever you're working on today, and you're not always paying attention to all the latest updates of the software, the materials, the technology that's coming out.
[00:37:50] Speaker A: And it's super helpful to have little 15, 30, 62nd clips about the new stuff for.
[00:37:56] Speaker B: You know, to look.
[00:37:57] Speaker A: For it even, you know.
[00:37:58] Speaker B: Yeah, just some quick little clip, you know, you scroll past it on the reels and all of a sudden you, you come out of your Instagram knowing how to do something. No, you know,
[00:38:11] Speaker A: yeah, we share an interest in EDM. Looks like. Because it seems like you played a lot of that in the background of, your social media posts. Is there a specific artist or DJ that you really like, somebody you've been following a lot lately?
[00:38:23] Speaker B: I really like putting in,: Tinlicker.
[00:38:29] Speaker A: Tinlicker
[00:38:29] Speaker B: You guys, it's super. Just like, beats.House.
[00:38:32] Speaker A: Beats deep house. I mean, I'm with it. And like, you're. And there's another one that you, that I know you've posted that I like, I'm trying to think of. I mean, not not even on the record right here. I'm just. I'm just remember.
[00:38:48] Speaker B: Ben Böhmer,
[00:38:50] Speaker A: Ben Böhmer!
[00:38:51] Speaker B: Yeah. That's who I like.
[00:38:53] Speaker A: Ben Böhmer is awesome. Great. Great for this kind of background stuff. And yeah.
[00:38:58] Speaker A: His his shows are remarkably good.
[00:39:02] Speaker A: You wouldn't expect that something that's deep house is that would be as fun to go to as a ten liquor and then boom are both just awesome artists to see a live.
[00:39:12] Speaker B: I haven't seen them live.
[00:39:13] Speaker A: Oh, man. Oh, maybe they'll be. Maybe it'll be the Gorge this year. I know above and beyond is going out there. In September. And, that's why I saw them last night in Nam. Was that a good show?
[00:39:26] Speaker B: Yeah. I have to go see them eventually. I'll see what shows pop up. I always, end up having, like, life, you know, make, make my shows for me. I
[00:39:37] Speaker A: Absolutely. I'm a big fan of making your travel, your work and pleasure travel kind of overlap together.
[00:39:43] Speaker B: Yeah. If it works out and, you know, don't obviously mess with the work, but it was the last time, so I was fine.
[00:39:54] Speaker A: Absolutely. As we kind of bring this to a close man, what are some final thoughts that you have? What would you what would you say is an important takeaway for someone listening to this if they took nothing else away but this last 30 second clip?
[00:40:10] Speaker B: Make sure that, you keep with it, you know, you keep consistent and, you know, let's have a nice 2026 year of consistency and getting things continuing to roll and that's about it. Consistency is the key to everything, right?
[00:40:32] Speaker A: Consistency is the key. Absolutely. The, having repeatable results is more important than having one good one. Exactly, absolutely. There's, one of the one of the best pieces of advice that I got in my career as I was growing into this was, you're only as good as your last crown. And if you're consistent and your crowns are at least moderately good through and through, then, then you can keep going.
[00:40:58] Speaker B: Yeah.
[00:41:00] Speaker A: Excellent! Jonny thank you for being here. Thank you for being a part of this.
[00:41:03] Speaker B: Thanks, Rob. Appreciate it. Man.
[00:41:06] Speaker A: And thank you for watching the Evolution of Dental podcast, brought to you by Evolution Dental Science. Please remember if you like this episode, one of the more content like this to follow and subscribe on all of the podcast platforms. And until next time, never stop evolving.
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